Thursday, 21 March 2013

Partial Conclusion


It would appear we have a conclusion of sorts
Any donation of 1% of your pension pot would be much appreciated.
H

From: Henry Nichols
Sent: 20 March 2013 21:24
To: Sutton, Philip; Leavesley, Kate
Subject: Re: TGFS Pension data verification
Mr Sutton,
I understand that L&G are still paying the members who are already in pension payment, please could you update on the situation?
It has been over a month since your previous communication
Regards
Richard (Henry) Nichols

Reply: -
Dear Mr Nichols
The buy-out has concluded and members pensions are now fully secured with AEGON. The reason why L&G are still paying the pensions is that it is standard practice on a transfer of pension payroll for the two providers (in this case L&G and AEGON) to run a parallel payroll process for a couple of months to check that they are getting the same results before the transfer is finalised. We are not aware of any issues with the payroll to date. We are preparing a final communication to members which will be issued in consultation with AEGON shortly.
Regards.
Philip W. Sutton Director The Trustee Corporation Limited
philip.sutton@squiresanders.com
T +44 (0)121 222 3541 M +44 (0)7740 924795 F +44 (0)870 460 2883

Tuesday, 19 February 2013

Email received 19 Feb 2013


Dear Mr Nichols
I confirm that the rebalance quote was received yesterday afternoon. We are working through this and are hopeful that matters will be concluded shortly.
Regards.
Philip W. Sutton Partner
philip.sutton@squiresanders.com
T +44 (0)121 222 3541 M +44 (0)7740 924795 F +44 (0)870 460 2883 Mobex 253541
Squire Sanders (UK) LLP Rutland House 148 Edmund Street Birmingham B3 2JR England
www.squiresanders.com
Named Pensions Law Firm 2012 in the Pension Investment Provider Awards, Financial Times Group
Named Global Pensions Law Firm of the Year 2011 by Global Pensions Magazine  

Monday, 11 February 2013

Response from Trustee Corporation 11th Feb 2013


Via email.

Henry,
Thanks for your email. Aegon confirmed mid-January that the buy-out was still scheduled for mid-February and that everything was going to plan. We have no reason to believe that the position has changed. We have contacted Aegon to confirm this.
I will be in touch as soon as I hear back from Aegon.
Kind regards,
Kate
Kate-Emma Leavesley
For and on behalf of the Trustee Corporation Limited

kate.leavesley@squiresanders.com T +44 121 222 3366
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+44 121 222 3000
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+44 121 222 3001
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+44 7545 110801
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Mobex 25 3366 Trustee Corporation Limited
Rutland House

148 Edmund Street

Birmingham

B3 2JR

England

www.squiresanders.com

Sunday, 10 February 2013

Fast approaching


Email to The Trustee Corporation Sun 10th Feb 2013.

Dear Kate,
As the 15th Feb is fast approaching I want to ensure the pencil has been “inked-in” and everything is going as previously planned and advised?
I trust this is the case, as I do remember requesting that the members be kept advised one way or the other.
A timely response will be appreciated and expected.

Regards
Richard (Henry) Nichols

Friday, 30 November 2012

News for TGFS Pension members


Email received today (30/11/12) from The Trustee Corporation - I really really wonder what has happened to make them more responsive? :-)

Dear Mr Nichols,
I have discussed this with Philip and we agree that we will provide a short update letter to members. This will set out the current position and when we expect the buy-out to happen. We will send this as soon as possible ahead of Christmas. We are just waiting for Aegon to confirm the timescales they would work to, to issue policies to members after the buy-out concludes. We feel it would be helpful to inform members when they may expect to receive their policies from Aegon.
With regards to the buy-out plan, this is not something that we will include in the letter to members as the main concern for members is when Aegon will conclude the buy-out, rather than the detailed plan. However, for your information the plan is as follows:
- L&G have provided the data to Aegon.
- Aegon will begin its data review at the turn of the year. Aegon has confirmed that this should provide sufficient time to resolve any potential issues before the re-balance quotation is due to be issued.
- As the buy-out has been delayed to February 2013, when Aegon starts its data review it will ask L&G to update the pension amounts to be secured at the buy-out date. L&G are on standby to do this.
- Aegon will provide the rebalancing costing. This is scheduled to be on 15 February 2013.
- We are liaising with Japan to ensure timely payment of any additional funds required to be paid. The rebalance quote is only guaranteed for five days.
- Once any balancing payment has been paid, the benefits will legally be the responsibility of Aegon, not the trustees.
- Thereafter, we will organise the final accounts to be produced, provide the necessary statutory reports to the Pensions Regulator and to HMRC, and will formally terminate the scheme.
As mentioned above, we will provide an update to the members as soon as possible ahead of Christmas. Please contact me if you have any queries.
Kind regards,
Kate
Kate-Emma Leavesley
Associate

kate.leavesley@squiresanders.com T +44 121 222 3366
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+44 121 222 3000
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+44 121 222 3001
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+44 7545 110801
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Mobex 25 3366 Squire Sanders (UK) LLP
Rutland House

148 Edmund Street

Birmingham

B3 2JR

England

www.squiresanders.com
Named Pensions Law Firm 2012 in the Pension and Investment Provider Awards, Financial Times Group
Named Global Pensions Law Firm of the Year 2011 by Global Pensions Magazine

Wednesday, 28 November 2012

Email to Trustee Corporation and Legal & General


Email sent 28/11/2012

Dear Kate, Jonathan & Philip.
Firstly thank you for the recent updates. One point on the latest communication, I would really expect you to be in touch whether the date changes or not.
Secondly, and just as important, I remember back in September 2011 us having discussions around The Pensions Advisory Service winding up of a pension scheme. Centred around this were the requirements that the trustees need to issue a progress report to TPAS and additionally to the members at least every 12 months after the process has passed the three year mark.
To my knowledge I am certain I have not yet received a proper progress report and formally request any and all of these forthwith.
Finally for the moment, I also remember on a number of occasions the members requesting a proper plan of action regarding this winding up process, and in fact offering support to project manage the same if it was beyond the bounds of either The Trustee Corporation, L&G or Aegon.
I feel that sufficient time has now passed and you really ought to have a handle on where things lie and be in a position to supply a detailed plan of action.
With regards
Richard (Henry) Nichols

Tuesday, 27 November 2012

Do we have a date??!!


Email received today (27/11/2012) from Trustee Corporation my comment in red.

Dear Mr Nichols,
Further to my email below, we have received confirmation from Aegon that they have pencilled in Friday 15 February 2013 for issue of the re-balance quotation for this scheme. I will be in touch if this date changes. (I would rather hope they would be in touch WHATEVER)
Kind regards,
Kate
Kate-Emma Leavesley
Associate

kate.leavesley@squiresanders.com
T +44 121 222 3366
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+44 121 222 3000
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+44 121 222 3001
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+44 7545 110801
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Mobex 25 3366
Squire Sanders (UK) LLP
Rutland House

148 Edmund Street

Birmingham

B3 2JR

England

www.squiresanders.com
Named Pensions Law Firm 2012 in the Pension and Investment Provider Awards, Financial Times Group
Named Global Pensions Law Firm of the Year 2011 by Global Pensions Magazine

Thursday, 22 November 2012

Another date failure! This time Aegon!


Received Thursday 22 November 2012 - please note the footer: Named Pension Law firm 2012, Global Pension Law Firm of the Year 2011 - WOW! It's a bloody good job we're not waiting on any of the opposition is all I can say!
Postscript to this, I looked up Global Pensions Magazine on Wikipedia, it closed in November 2011!
I have now emailed the Financial Times contact and passed on a link to this blog - I wonder if they'll win next year?


Dear Mr Nichols,
As per Philip’s email below, L&G provided the Acceptance Data Request (ADR) forms to Aegon on 9 November 2012. This was on the revised agreed date, albeit it was later than the date originally agreed. I am disappointed to have to report that, having contacted Aegon to confirm the buy-out date, the buy will not happen this year. Aegon has confirmed that its current workload is such it is now unable to process the re-balance quotation before the end of this year.
However, Aegon has managed to move around some of the work scheduled for the first quarter of 2013 so that they can hopefully issue the re-balance quotation in mid to late February 2013. We have responded expressing our disappointment and that our understanding was that Aegon was “reserving” a buy-out date for us on the basis of receiving the data by 9 November 2012. I have requested confirmation of a buy-out date in February so that this does not slip. I will confirm this to you as soon as possible.
I appreciate this is frustrating and am doing all I can to formally agree a buy-out date with Aegon.
Kind regards,

Kate
Kate-Emma Leavesley
Associate

kate.leavesley@squiresanders.com T +44 121 222 3366
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+44 121 222 3000
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+44 121 222 3001
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+44 7545 110801
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Mobex 25 3366 Squire Sanders (UK) LLP
Rutland House

148 Edmund Street

Birmingham

B3 2JR

England

www.squiresanders.com
Named Pensions Law Firm 2012 in the Pension and Investment Provider Awards, Financial Times Group
Named Global Pensions Law Firm of the Year 2011 by Global Pensions Magazine

Saturday, 10 November 2012

Response from Trustees 10-11-2012


Dear Mr Nichols
I confirm that L&G submitted the data set to AEGON yesterday, Friday 9th November.
Regards
Philip W. Sutton Director The Trustee Corporation Limited
philip.sutton@squiresanders.com
T +44 (0)121 222 3541 M +44 (0)7740 924795 F +44 (0)870 460 2883
The Trustee Corporation Limited Rutland House 148 Edmund Street Birmingham B3 2JR England

Communication to Trustees 09-11-2012


Philip

Please could you confirm/deny whether the data request completed today as mentioned in your previous email?
Regards


Tuesday, 30 October 2012

Is there no limit to L&G's talent for delay?


Response 30/10/2012 from The Trustee Corporation.

Dear Mr Nichols,
It is frustrating that we are in a position that we must rely on third parties to progress the buy-out. Aegon are still working to agree a buy-out slot as quickly as possible; they have not dismissed the buy-out in any way. Indeed, they are contractually bound to conclude it.
The delay is currently with L&G, who have to provide data to Aegon. Please rest assured that we have put significant pressure on L&G in order to complete the data request for Aegon as soon as possible. They have confirmed that this should be completed by 9 November. In the meantime, we are working with Aegon to secure a buy-out date based on this expected delivery of data.
We will confirm to all members once the buy-out has been concluded but please do contact me if you would like an update in the meantime.

Kind regards,
Philip
Philip W. Sutton Director The Trustee Corporation Limited
It would appear (to the untrained eye of someone who is not versed in these contractual buy-outs) that the data verification which was OK earlier this year is no longer either trustworthy or up to date. 
Please feel free to contact Mr Sutton as soon and as often as you think necessary to keep up to date with progress.

Monday, 22 October 2012

Aegon - another one?


Email reply to The Trustee Corporation 22 October 2012

Mr Sutton,
It would appear that we now have two(?) third parties which cannot be relied upon!
As in my previous email, we would like a detailed explanation, not just a sweeping statement. Secondly, what is the future plan? I would like to expect that Aegon offered a new date, and did not simply dismiss the buy-out.
Is there still an obligation or plan to buy, or is the deal no longer in their interest? This may be construed as the case as there doesn’t appear to be much effort on their part to conclude from where we’re sitting.
To continually have to chase this is becoming tiring, so a full explanation and ongoing plan of action is required from all parties so we have something concrete to refer to.

Richard (Henry) Nichols

And here's the No News!


Response from The Trustee Corporation, 22 Oct 2012

Dear Mr Nichols

You are correct to say that the buy-out did not conclude in September as expected. As will have been evident from previous experience, the Scheme is in the hands of third parties in this regard. On this occasion, AEGON advised that they were unable to proceed with the Scheme's scheduled slot due to an overrun on other cases. We continue to liaise with L&G, AEGON and the Japanese parent company over the finalisation of the buy-out and will confirm to all members once this has been concluded.

Yours sincerely
Philip W. Sutton
Director
The Trustee Corporation Limited
philip.sutton@squiresanders.com
T +44 (0)121 222 3541
M +44 (0)7740 924795
F +44 (0)870 460 2883
The Trustee Corporation Limited
Rutland House
148 Edmund Street
Birmingham
B3 2JR
England

Sunday, 21 October 2012

The clock ticks, but doesn't strike!


Email to The Trustee Corporation, sent 21/10/2012 on behalf of the members


Mr Sutton,
From the last communication back in July (shown below), it was suggested that the buy-out would be going ahead on 28th September 2012. This does not appear to be the case as far as I can tell as pensions in payment are still coming through from Legal & General, not Aegon.
Please could respond by return and outline whether the buy-out went ahead as planned? If it isn’t possible to confirm this, I would like a detailed explanation and plan of action going forward to complete the transaction process and bring this sorry tale to a swift and “successful” conclusion.
I will restrain from conjecture and will await your response before I make further comment.


Regards
Richard (Henry) Nichols

Wednesday, 18 July 2012

We have progress!

Dear Mr Nichols
Thanks for your email.
I’m pleased to say that Aegon have confirmed 28 Sept 2012 as the buy-out date.
The member you refer to can write to Kate or me here at TCL to advise their change of address. We will then pass this onto L&G to log in the member database.
Finally, please note that Denise and Jonathan have moved on and no longer work for TCL. Further, Stephanie is on maternity leave so in future please email Kate / me as necessary – many thanks.
Regards.
Philip W. Sutton Director The Trustee Corporation Limited
philip.sutton@squiresanders.com

Message from Henry Nichols
Anyone who requires the contact details for Kate please message me and I can supply. However, generally approaching  P Sutton would suffice.

Tuesday, 17 July 2012

Impatience setting in again!


Mr Sutton
It is a month since your last communication, please can you update on the situation, i.e. have you managed to press Aegon for a date?
As an aside, one of the members has advised me that he is shortly moving house, I have given him your name and the Birmingham address as the place to notify, please can you advise of the correct name/address for any changes to be forwarded to?

Regards
Richard (Henry) Nichols

Thursday, 14 June 2012

Update 14 June 2012

Email from Philip Sutton


Dear Mr Nichols
I confirm that the data verfication exercise has been concluded and the results are satisfactory. We are now in a position to conclude the buy-out with Aegon. In terms of timescale, we are entirely in Aegon's hands. Aegon have previously indicated that they have a window in September 2012. We have pushed them to confirm this slot recently but have not had a response to date.
Regards.

Sent from my BlackBerry

Philip W. Sutton
Partner
philip.sutton@squiresanders.com 

Sunday, 15 April 2012

Response email 10th April 2012


Dear Mr Nichols
Thank you for your email and apologies for the delayed response. We had been checking some further details regarding the data verification exercise with L&G and had been awaiting their response. L&G have confirmed that there has been a good level of response to the verification exercise and that they have updated their records accordingly. In relation to your data verification form, L&G have confirmed that they received this on 2 February and notified their payroll department of your new address.
Unfortunately it is not cost effective for us as trustee to verify that L&G have updated members’ records in accordance with the responses received. However, L&G have assured us that this updating process has been carried out with due care and attention. We are requesting that a further check of a random sample of responses is carried out as well to provide us, as trustee, with as much comfort as possible.
I trust this addresses your concerns but if you require anything further please do not hesitate to contact me.
Kind regards
Jonathan

As you can see, the Trustee Corporation have refused to verify any data, I would have thought this was a must-have considering previous attempts by L&G to complete this correctly!    

Email to Trustees 27th March 2012


Dear Jonathan Bradshaw,
Thank you for the update, please could you advise when the verification exercise is to take place, and whether you now have faith in L&G’s efforts to get the data in a form that can or will be acceptable, thus enabling the situation to be finally put to bed?
With regards
Henry Nichols

Wednesday, 7 December 2011

Response to letter dated 22 October


As you will see, the response has come from The trustee Corporation, not L&G (to whom it was addressed). Please note the part where Mr Sutton states that L&G are not really in a position to answer the question re financial loss - something to be wary of (they're the people managing our finances!!) 
There is mention of a response from Toyoda (Japan), this is yet to be received.

Email received Weds, 07 December 2011

Dear Mr Nichols
I apologise for the delay with this email. I can confirm that I did receive your email, despite the technical issues you suffered. Unfortunately, I have been out of the office regularly recently, following family bereavements.
First of all, can I apologise for the error which occured with your address. I imagine that the inclusion of a different address in an email from you from the one held on L&G's system would have (I think understandably) have caused confusion at L&G. They should have checked this with us, or with you directly but obviously did not. Suffice it to say, they are now completely clear as to your correspondence address going forward.

I note that you say Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxx, Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxx and possibly Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxx have not yet received the October 2011 announcement. I have therefore asked Stephanie to send them copies directly unless she is aware that these have already been sent and received.

I note the various comments you have made to Jonathan Asher about L&G's handling of the data. This has, as you know, been a concern to us throughout and was the key reason why the recent annuity recosting slot with Aegon was missed. Given that we now have until Q2/2012 for the next recosting slot, we are using the time to undertake further data checking exercises. The first is the second round of data verification directly with members. As I mentioned in my recent email, this is underway internally (Steph having spot checked some 15% of the forms) and a number of questions have been raised with L&G. I am also discussing a further approach to data verification with L&G but am unclear as yet if this will be achievable. The aim is to move closer (as close as possible) to 100% confidence in the data set underlying the buy-out with Aegon.

You have also asked L&G if they can guarantee that members will suffer no financial loss. L&G are not really in a position to answer this. They are aware of the parent company guarantee but we (the trustee) are the party to it. You, of course, already have a copy of it and have taken legal advice on it. In this regard, I can confirm that we have been in touch with the parent company periodically throughout the winding-up process, most recently a couple of weeks ago. Like us, they have been concerned about L&G's data handling and timescales but there is no suggestion from any of our communications that the parent company will not honour the guarantee. I am also aware that they are replying to your letter to the Toyoda President, if they have not already done so.

Finally, I can confirm that 15 December 2008 was the date on which the company entered liquidation, and therefore this is the date on which the wind up of the Scheme was triggered in accordance with the Scheme rules. I have attached a Companies House screen shot confirming the position below my email sign off.
I trust this addresses your queries. Please be assured that we are doing all we can to conclude the wind-up and buy-out of members' benefits successfully in Q2/2012.

Kind regards.
Philip W. SuttonDirector
For and on behalf of
The Trustee Corporation Limited

Wednesday, 9 November 2011

For the attention of Tadashi Arashima – President Toyoda Gosei.


Letter sent by air mail 31 October 2011 to Toyoda Gosei Japan.

Regarding Toyoda Gosei Fluid Systems UK Ltd Pension Scheme.

            I am writing to you to voice the concern of some of the former employees of the above company. When Toyoda Gosei decided to close this company in 2008, there was an expression of concern to the then employees that the closure should be as honourable as possible. Also, there was a guarantee from Japan that the above pension fund would be supported and any deficit would be fully funded by the parent company – Toyoda Gosei.

While we are willing to accept this funding of the scheme will still be the case (as I have a copy of the guarantee document legally enforceable in both the United Kingdom and Japan) we are duly worried about the capability of both the pension trustees (The Trustee Corporation – Hammonds LLP) and the original pension administrators (Legal & General) in carrying out the closure and wind-up of the scheme.

This has been going on for over three years now, there have been delay after delay, including extremely poor attempts at a data consolidation, without a satisfactory resolution and while I accept The Trustee Corporation may well be correct in the statement that there is no financial loss to The Members (the ex-employees), one thing that Toyoda Gosei should be concerned of is that while this continues there is additional costs involved which someone will be meeting, with no other visible source of funding I would expect that will be yourselves. So, it would be in your interest to oversee a speedy conclusion.
I, on behalf of some of The Members have attempted to persuade, coerce and push for a resolution but there is a general lack of urgency from both The Trustee Corporation and Legal & General.

Listed below are the names of The Members who I am representing: -
Miss xxxx xxxxxxxxxx
Mrs xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
Mr xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx
Mrs xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
Mr xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx
Mr xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx
Mrs xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
Miss xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx
Mrs  xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
Miss xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Miss xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
Mr xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
Miss xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx
Mr xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
Miss xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
Mr xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx 
Mr xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
Mr xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
Mrs xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
Mr xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx

Along with these people I have also been contacted by a firm of financial advisors who state that they are also representing a “good number” of pension members and are receiving similar treatment over this winding up.

Please could you respond to this letter stating what Toyoda Gosei are prepared to do to ensure a satisfactory conclusion to this?

I know that Toyoda Gosei would want this to complete with minimal fuss, however, should this continue along its present course of poor service, poor advice and poor reporting of the situation to The Members I feel the only option open will be to contact the national media (both newspaper and television) to air our concerns.

Yours truly,

Richard (Henry) Nichols





Saturday, 22 October 2011

A comedy of errors? Or a deliberate attempt to annoy?


Email to both Jonathan Asher (Legal & General) and Philip Sutton (The Trustee Corporation Ltd) 22 October 2011

Dear Jonathan Asher
Thank you for the Trustees update statement which I received 21 October 2011.
However, rather than call you to express my concern I think that an email is more apt as I can publish this for others to view.
To say I was upset by your comment that you sent the original update letter to an address gleaned from an email dated 6 July 2011 is something of an understatement! Whatever possessed your company to ignore the held members data over an email? Surely the whole idea of any data integrity checking would be to validate the data rather than ignoring it and using other means! How many other members were written to at addresses other than those held in your data files? If mine was the only one, then WHY?!
This just highlights further the incompetence of Legal & General in handling the whole sorry episode. Why on earth would a company of your supposed standing issue this sort of letter to an email address when all along the given reasons for delays have been stated to be due in no short measure to data validations.
I would have thought it was glaringly obvious that any & all members addresses should be taken from your collated data, obviously this is not the case – or do you just please yourselves about which things to send to which individuals, and further to this pick & choose where to send them?
Before you answer this, I am aware of at least two more people who are still awaiting their updates.
Mr Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx (and possibly his partner – formerly Ms X Xxxxxxx) and Mrs Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxx. Please check your records to see if these also were sent to other addresses than the ones you hold on file.
As the previous data integrity checks carried out have highlighted issues which you have consistently failed to resolve, I suggest to you that you are being negligent in your handling of the members information, so you can probably appreciate the members’ concerns over these delays (and possibly their doubts about your competence in handling their assets too!).
It is often mentioned in these communications that there is no financial loss to members in this, can you guarantee that the Parent Company is also suffering no financial loss over the time taken (and expenses accrued) for you and The Trustee Corporation to get your acts together?
My next action in all of this will now be to write to the president of Toyoda Gosei (Japan) to express the member’s displeasure over the whole handling of this pension closure. I know that they were very concerned over the closure of the company to ensure there was no adverse publicity. The Japanese do not like to lose face as I’m sure you are aware. It would be a major issue for them if this was to become an item of media attention.
Any communication with the parent company will be made available to both Legal & General and The Trustee Corporation.
One other point that I have not commented on before, but which I think needs to be raised – if just for clarification, is over the closure date of the company (and hence the scheme winding up). In all of your communications to date there is mention that “On 15 December 2008 the Company entered into members’ voluntary liquidation (a solvent winding up process) and the Scheme closed”. Where is this date taken from? I was employed by the Company up until & including 19th December 2008 (along with a number of others) and as far as I am aware this was the closure date! I know it is only a matter of five days, but again a data discrepancy nonetheless! 

Wednesday, 19 October 2011

Words fail YOU?


Received from Hammonds 18 October 2011

Dear Mr Nichols
Words fail me. I have written confirmation from Legal & General that the announcement was printed and sent on 7 October. Are you aware through your network that nobody has received the announcemnt or that some have and some haven't? Either way, you can be assured that I will be taking this up with L&G immediately. In the meantime, I will arrange for a copy of the announcement to be sent to you tomorrow.
Regards.
Philip W. Sutton

Tuesday, 18 October 2011

Waiting for paint to dry!

Email to Hammonds LLP Tues 18th October 2011

Mr Sutton,
Again I find I am having to write to you as Hammonds &/or Legal and General have failed to keep their word.
In your previous email you advised that you were preparing an announcement to all members of the scheme to be made within 10 days or so (29th Sept) – this time has elapsed with no announcement, or apology for there being none!
You really need to get your act together, and a plan of action would surely assist in this matter – another “promise” made to be published which has failed to appear.
Having a plan of action in place would enable monitoring of the whole situation, so I repeat an earlier offer, should you or Legal and General be incapable of producing such a document, we, the members can provide the expertise to generate (and manage) one!
I look forward to your response, announcement and plan of actions by return.

Thursday, 29 September 2011

Some long awaited information, still no results


Dear Mr Nichols
Thank you for your email below.
I am pleased to answer your points as follows:
Member communication
I am aware of the requirements you have referred to from the TPAS website. We will be making an announcement to all members of the scheme in the next 10 days or so. This will cover all the required content.
Regulator Report
We are in the process of preparing the first wind-up report to the Regulator and this will be submitted shortly.
Other questions
In terms of the numbered paragraphs, rather than address each point individually, I am setting out some of the key points I made in a conversation with Steve Riley last week which I imagine you may be aware of already as these address all the issues you raise:
1. My view was that this was going to be a quick and easy wind-up exercise. Factors influencing my view included the following: (a) there had only ever been one company participating in the scheme; (b) the scheme was contracted-in to the state second pension (formerly known as SERPS); (c) L&G had always been the administrator of the scheme. There was no sign of the normal wind-up delaying factors such as having to agree contracted-out benefits with the National Insurance Contributions Office (which is normally the single biggest piece of work involved in a scheme wind-up). I made the tactical decision that L&G should continue in post as administrators of the scheme through the wind-up (why would I move from the people who knew the scheme inside out?).
2. We promptly moved to secure members' benefits with Aegon. This was concluded in January 2009. The annuity rate for the contract was fixed at that date. We also secured and documented a formal guarantee from the parent company (of which you already have a copy).
3. Members therefore do not need to worry about the recent volatility in equity markets, for example. Their benefits are to be secured / paid in full.
4. In the event, the service provided by L&G has been lamentable. For a long while they did nothing. When they did eventually apply resource to the scheme, the work was very often late and / or wrong.
5. Aegon have set 3 "rebalancing" slots for the scheme so far this year (this is the process by which Aegon will accurately calculate the final premium required to secure members' benefits). L&G failed to apply the necessary resource to come anywhere close to meeting the deadlines or requirements to enable us to proceed on the first two occasions.
6. We have escalated the scheme within L&G and received commitments about service going forward in particular working towards the third "slot". We have continued to receive poor service. In particular, Aegon have said the data L&G have been supplying is unfit for purpose. The data has improved but even at this very late stage, Aegon have raised significant concerns over the data and their ability to price the contract (hence our request for details about certain members' spouses of Monday - many thanks for your assistance in this regard).
7. The decision to retain L&G as scheme administrators was right at the time. In the event, they have done a poor job. I could appoint alternative administrators to do this work but that, in itself, would take time and cost and then the new administrators would have to start from scratch. My decision has been to retain L&G and endure the frustrations that decision has brought with it.
8. I have been faced with a decision about whether to finalise the buy-out with Aegon by reference to data which is unclear, incomplete in certain respects and inconsistent or to allow more time for the data to be perfected. My primary duty as trustee is to ensure that the members get the right benefits at the right time. Uncertain and incomplete data means that the benefits may not be right or that the price will be unnecessarily and avoidably high.
9. Having considered the position at length and consulted with the parent company's advisers, my decision therefore is that L&G should have more time to get the data (and hence members' benefits) right. This means that there will be a further delay in issuing members with a policy in their own name but, as I have said many times before, this does not mean that members lose financially.
We have yet to hear from Aegon as to the next available "slot" but, now that it appears that L&G have broken the back of the data work, I am hopeful that we will be able to conclude the process definitively at the 4th attempt. I will be arranging a further meeting with L&G to secure all necessary resource and to discuss the position generally.
I hope that this frank explanation of the issues we are facing is of assistance, even if it does not bring matters to the swift conclusion that you (and other members) hope for.
Yours sincerely.
Philip W. Sutton

From all of this I gather we are still no nearer a settlement, L&G are still a crap company to deal with and Hammonds LLP still appear to carry no weight in the negotiations. All in all, we seem to have been sold a pup of a pension scheme. I will continue to press for action, but don't hold your breath for a resolution any time soon.

Wednesday, 28 September 2011

Diana Ross had nothing on us! (Still Waiting!)

Tuesday 27 Sept 2011 (19:52) Response from Hammonds.


Dear Mr Nichols
My email to you is undergoing peer review and should be issued tomorrow.
Regards.
Philip W. SuttonDirector
For and on behalf of
The Trustee Corporation Limited

Needless to say, no response 28 Sept 2011 (Who'd have thought it?)

Monday, 5 September 2011

Information and Message to Hammonds 5th Sept 2011

There is information here regarding what is required in winding up a company pensions scheme.

Email message dated 05 September 2011
Mr Sutton,
I see from the tone of your last response that finally you are beginning to tire of my incessant pestering of you and your involvement in the TGFS Pension scheme, this is at least a relief - I was beginning to wonder if I was ever going to get through to you.
I will respond to your points in due course, firstly I would like to bring to your attention something I have copied from The Pensions Advisory Service (TPAS) website regarding a winding up of a pension scheme: -
The trustees also need to issue a progress report to members at least every 12 months thereafter.
These subsequent reports must give details of:
  • Action being taken to establish the scheme's assets and liabilities;
  • Action being taken to recover any assets not immediately available;
  • The estimated date when final details of members' benefits are likely to be known; and
  • The extent (if any) to which the value of the member's benefits is likely to be reduced (if relevant and the trustees have sufficient information to state this).
This clearly isn’t happening and hasn’t happened, the website goes on to state the following: -
For schemes winding-up after 1 April 2003, once the scheme has been winding up for three years, the trustees will have three months to submit their first report. Subsequent reports are to be made at least once every 12 months.
On request, trustees must provide members or beneficiaries with a copy of any report, which has been made to TPR (The Pensions Regulator) in connection with the wind-up. The copy must be provided within two months of the request.
As the winding up process was commenced in the summer of 2008, according to my calculations this has exceeded the first three year point so you as trustees ought to have submitted your first report to The Pensions Regulator, if so, I formally request a copy of this report forthwith, and if not I would like an explanation as to why this hasn’t occurred.
Regarding your points,
1, Whilst we agree that the scheme has the backing of a Tokyo listed company, according to information obtained, members should have had the option of transferring the funds of the scheme to a new pension provider, at the original meeting between yourselves and the members at the company premises we were advised to refrain from making any requests that would delay the process, this can be taken that had this option been available sooner, member would have been able to make further contributions which at present they haven’t, thus this can be taken as a financial loss.
2, We agree the scheme is winding up, however, the point made above is still valid.
3, We can understand the point that you share our frustration, however, you don’t appear to share the information!
4, We again take your point on this, the worry is that we only have your word that you are doing everything possible to expedite this, and our concern is that there doesn’t appear to be any concern over the time involved (notwithstanding the lack of information). And, no, we don’t want to spend money unnecessarily on anything, it is just that we feel that we aren’t getting a fair result presently, no information is forthcoming, deadlines appear to be reached, passed and nothing reported (like the data transfer recently – what happened?), basically, we are fed up of being fobbed off with false promises, lack of apparent actions and then expected to just sit and wait, this is our livelihood when all is said and done!
What happened to the plan of outstanding actions which was supposed to be imminent?
Rather than argue the points, and as any action might prolong the misery we are already subjected to, I’m not expecting you to respond to these points other than providing the information requested and overdue. Any failure to do so may be seen to be that there is something to hide.